Where Real Estate Gets Its Dirt

Should Sellers Pick Pocket Listings?

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Overview

This week, Rob and Greg are joined by Professor Darren Hayunga of the University of Georgia to discuss his research on pocket listings and private sales. Using 20 years of Dallas-Fort Worth MLS data, Darren explains why his findings challenge conventional wisdom about off-market transactions, how Clear Cooperation Policy impacted pocket sales, and why sellers may not be sacrificing value by avoiding the open market. The conversation explores market efficiency, buyer and seller behavior, luxury listings, and the broader implications for the ongoing industry debate around private listing networks and consumer choice. 

Key Takeaways

  • Professor Darren Hayunga’s study found that pocket sales in Dallas-Fort Worth generated an average premium of roughly 1.7%, with luxury properties showing significantly higher premiums. 
  • The research suggests sellers may benefit from avoiding what Darren calls the “negotiation tax” associated with traditional MLS listing strategies. 
  • Clear Cooperation Policy largely eliminated the pricing advantage of pocket sales, but did not eliminate their use. 
  • Pocket listings became more common over time, growing substantially after the early 2010s despite industry efforts to curb them. 
  • The discussion highlights the challenges of measuring off-market transactions and the importance of comparing truly comparable properties when conducting housing research. 
  • Rob and Greg debate whether the continued popularity of private sales reflects consumer preference, brokerage incentives, or broader market efficiencies.

Links

Contact Professor Hayunga

Pocket Sales in the Housing Market: Selection, Outcomes and Policy

Connect with Rob and Greg

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Doubletake: It’s time to take another look at Paragon Connect

If you haven’t taken a serious look at Paragon Connect lately, you’re making a decision based on outdated information. And in an industry where we love to complain about vendors not keeping up, we should probably hold ourselves to the same standard.

So let’s do a doubletake.

What’s actually changed?

Paragon Connect has become a full-featured, browser-based platform built for how agents actually work today — on any device, without the headaches of legacy desktop installs.

The transition is real — but worth it

Getting agents to update their habits is basically an Olympic sport. But the MLSs that have gone through it will tell you the same thing: the preparation matters more than the platform. Back-end system evaluation, solid documentation, cross-MLS help guides, accreditation-aligned training — do the work upfront and the landing is worth the effort.

The bottom line

Platforms matter. User experience matters. And sticking with “good enough” because the alternative feels risky is how you end up behind the curve.

Paragon Connect has put in the reps. It deserves a fresh set of eyes.

Go take another look. You might surprise yourself.

A field guide to the private listings laws

Anthony Mannino wrote a tidy little explainer over at HousingWire, and if you’ve been trying to keep the state-by-state private listings rules straight, this is the one to bookmark. The laws are piling up. Connecticut just passed one. New York’s bill is almost across the line. Wisconsin and Washington already did it. Hawaii and Illinois are loading up for January.

Mannino sorts the whole mess into three buckets, and the buckets are the useful part.

Washington went with the mandate. List it publicly, period, unless there’s a real safety or privacy reason not to. No form, no signature, no disclosure to bury. Public exposure is just the default.

Connecticut and New York went with the opt-out, with the legislature writing the warning right into the statute. Here’s a taste of Connecticut’s language:

“The Seller understands that foregoing public marketing may reduce competition for the property, may result in fewer offers to purchase the Seller’s property and may adversely impact the final sale price and terms of the sale of the Seller’s property.”

Wisconsin and Illinois also went opt-out, but punted the actual wording to the associations and agencies. Mannino’s point on this is the sharp one. A warning written into law is hard to change. A form drafted by an agency is easy to change, which means it’s also easy to lobby.

And then he asks the question I’ve been asking. Do these opt-out forms actually stop anybody?

“…opt-out forms may prove to be more of a liability protection for brokerages than an impediment to executing a private listing strategy.”

There it is. He calls it “warning fatigue,” and anybody who’s sat at a closing table knows exactly what he means. You hand a seller a stack of agency agreements, consumer notices, and affiliated business disclosures, then slip in one more “the government makes me tell you this” page, and it gets signed with everything else. It doesn’t change behavior. It just protects the brokerage when the seller complains later.

Which is why Washington’s model is the honest one. If you actually believe public marketing is better for sellers, you make it the default and let people opt out for cause. You don’t make sellers initial a warning nobody reads and call it informed consent.

A form you can ignore isn’t a guardrail. It’s a receipt.

Is the MLS Industry Finally Playing Offense on AI?

NorthstarMLS and REcore Introduce Project NexusRE, Giving MLSs and Brokers More Visibility and Control over Listing Data in the AI Era

“The use and misuse by machine based learning platforms is something MLSs have no exposure to.” — Art Carter, CEO of REcore”

For two years the listing data fight has been about distribution. Who gets the feed, who gets cut off, whose listings show up on Zillow. All of it about where the data goes.

Project NexusRE is about what happens after it gets there. Your data leaves the building, disappears into a dozen LLMs, and the MLS has zero visibility into which ones, under what terms, or for whose benefit. NexusRE is pitched as the layer in between. Permissions, usage metering, compliance screening, applied once and enforced everywhere. A toll booth and a security camera for MLS data in the AI era.

I know, “in active development”, is code for “there is still a lot of work to be done”. But I’ve seen some of the tech and excited to see how testing goes this summer.

But here’s the part I’m here for. NorthstarMLS holds the patent. REcore, the company commercializing it, and where I serve as a board member, “can only be owned by brokers and MLS investment.” In a year when Stone Point owns the brokerage, the MLS software, and the transaction stack all at once, that’s not a small detail. This piece can’t get flipped to private equity later.

Everybody else is arguing about who owns the listing. NorthstarMLS and REcore are the first to ask who’s watching what the machines do with it.

About time.

NAR Midyear Toothpaste

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Overview

Rob and Greg recap the 2026 NAR Midyear meetings in Washington, D.C., discussing the changing role of NAR in MLS policy, the ongoing debate around private listings and exclusive inventory, and the varying reactions from MLS leaders across the country. They also examine how brokers, MLSs, and portals are redefining their relationships as the industry continues to grapple with cooperation, consumer access, and listing distribution. Later, they discuss Mike DelPrete’s recent industry webinar and dive into a broader philosophical debate about whether the MLS should function primarily as a professional cooperation platform or a consumer-facing marketing tool.

Key Takeaways

  • Greg shares observations from NAR Midyear, including conversations with MLS leaders about private listings, office exclusives, and broker cooperation.
  • Many MLSs outside major markets are not experiencing the same level of disruption from private listing strategies seen in places like Southern California.
  • Rob and Greg discuss whether MLSs should create listing statuses or tools to accommodate exclusive inventory while preserving cooperation.
  • The conversation explores Zillow’s growing influence in listing policy following NAR’s reduced role in MLS governance.
  • Mike DelPrete’s webinar sparks discussion about the industry’s biggest unresolved questions around private listings and MLS purpose.
  • Rob argues that the MLS should primarily serve as a business-to-business cooperation platform, while Greg challenges that view by emphasizing the MLS’s longstanding consumer-facing role.
  • The episode examines how internet distribution, IDX, and syndication transformed listing marketing and agent behavior over the past two decades.

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Brad

Brad Inman on LinkedIn yesterday…

“After decades on stage, I’m hanging up my public speaking spurs.

It started badly. On a panel in my 20s, I was a nervous California journalist completely outshone by a Sacramento Bee reporter who owned the room.
So I spent the years that followed studying how to do it better — determined never to feel that way again.
I didn’t and I had a lot of fun doing it and teaching others to do it well.

But this cowboy is done.”

The “Latte Vision.” Interviewing Rupert Murdoch, sparring with Gary Keller, and trading quips with Barbara Corcoran. Brad taking the stage to a roar of applause the year a snowstorm (2015?) almost cancelled ICNY.

We made it to New York because, Mother Nature or not, that’s where we wanted to be!

There are certain songs that have been the soundtrack of my life. Brad’s keynotes, interviews, and articles have been the soundtrack of my career. The optimism, the vision, the insights, the prodding for all of us to aim high, try harder, and be good to each other. That’s the soundtrack that keeps rolling in my head.

I started in this industry in the mid-nineties, and I had a front-row seat to watch Brad build one of the most inclusive and incredible communities any business has ever seen. His friendship and mentorship won’t be forgotten, and they continue.

It’s strange he won’t be up on that stage this July. But here’s the thing about a great soundtrack, once it’s in your head, it never really stops playing. Love you pal!

National MLS?

Cameron Paine calls bullshit…

Don’t believe the hype: There is no ‘national MLS’

“If we accept that the role of the MLS is to facilitate a collaborative marketplace of timely, accurate, comprehensive and transparent listing data, how can an MLS legitimately claim to be “national” if it lacks both accuracy (i.e., significant gaps in listing coverage) and comprehensiveness, (i.e., no national listing coverage)? 

Maintaining a high level of data quality and interconnectivity plays a critical role in both data compliance and the contextual placement of listings within the marketplace. The ability of the MLS to understand local market trends and generate accurate market insights, CMAs and statistical data is what makes it far more valuable than a simple ad on a marketing platform. “

Louder, so the people in the back can hear!

CMLS has a new leader, Jessica Edgerton

Council of Multiple Listing Services Names Jessica Edgerton as Chief Executive Officer

In her work with LeadingRE, Edgerton supported a global network of more than 500 brokerages across 70 countries, many of which operate in markets without an MLS system. That perspective gives her a firsthand understanding of the value MLSs create through complete, accurate, and trusted real estate information.

“Through my work with brokerages around the world, I have seen what real estate markets look like when professionals and consumers do not have access to the complete, trusted information an MLS provides,” said Edgerton. “It gives me an even deeper appreciation for the MLS as essential market infrastructure and for the leaders who make that system work every day.”

Interesting choice, and I think ultimately a good one. Her time at NAR and her legal background are certainly a plus. Having worked in the LeadingRE could also help CMLS break through in getting its message across to brokers.

CMLS deserves a leader who will stick up for the hundreds of people who work at MLS organizations across the country. Best wishes to Jessica — the thing I’m most impressed with is that she’s taking on this role in such a crazy environment. We could use a lot more of that chutzpah! God speed!

What Is the MLS, Anyway? 

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Overview

Rob and Greg recap their time at the Signal conference before diving into one of the biggest debates facing organized real estate: what exactly is the MLS supposed to be? The conversation centers on “Pool,” ThousandWatt’s thought experiment for a national home exchange that would compensate listing contributors and charge data users. Rob argues the concept reveals a growing belief that the MLS is primarily a data repository, while Greg sees it as a modernized form of cooperation. From there, the discussion expands into the purpose of MLSs, the difference between cooperation and marketing, portal participation, private listing debates, government intervention, and whether the industry is losing sight of its core mission.

Key Takeaways

  • Rob discusses his new consulting engagement with Compass and why he believes independent opinions remain critical.
  • Highlights from the Signal conference, including the branding lessons behind Liquid Death and ThousandWatt’s “Pool” concept.
  • Rob reveals Pool closely mirrors the Nexus MLS model he previously attempted to build.
  • A debate over whether MLSs are fundamentally data repositories or broker cooperatives.
  • Greg and Rob clash over the relationship between cooperation, compensation, marketing, and listing distribution.
  • Discussion of off-market listings, seller choice, “velvet rope” marketing, and government involvement in real estate policy.
  • Why both hosts believe the industry needs a clearer answer to the question: “What is the MLS?”

Links

1000Watt’s Pool Website

Greg’s ‘Limited Exposure’ Article 

Rob’s Analysis of Connecticut Law 

Compass on Private Listings

Connect with Rob and Greg

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The Last Court of Honor of Troop 319

A couple of weeks ago the message came through. Despite continued efforts, Troop 319 was shutting down and merging with Troop 568. There were various reasons. Four of the feeder packs had disbanded, even Pack 210 where Toby started. Fewer kids, aging demographics, COVID, etc.

Toby wanted to know if we should go to their last meeting. It was a “court of honor,” where Scouts would be recognized, medals handed out and Eagles announced. Since Toby had aged out, neither of us had been to a troop meeting in a couple of years. “Of course,” I said, glad to have a free day between airport visits.

We walked into the cafeteria of the middle school where the troop meetings were held. A few Eagle Scouts from when the troop was formed came. The honor guard was called, the Pledge of Allegiance was recited, hugs were given and received, touching speeches were given, and fathers tried to dry their eyes without anyone noticing. I’d forgotten how much I missed the “civic” nature of these meetings. The laughter, the endless applause, and the inside jokes carried on since 1986, when the troop was formed.

When Toby went on the Philmont trip, a 12-day hike that really is the pinnacle of the Scouting experience, he came back different. More confident, and a bit more sure of himself. He still wears his Philmont belt buckle with pride. At the event he took a photo with a bunch of his friends and the volunteer parents who chaperoned the trip. Good memories.

The Scoutmaster, Todd Jardine, was Toby’s Den leader too, back when he started in kindergarten. A nice bookend.

I was never a Boy Scout myself growing up, but I learned to appreciate the mottos and traditions through the eyes of my son.

One classic slogan is “Do a Good Turn Daily.”

In honor of Troop 319, I’m asking anyone reading this post to try to help someone out today. Big or small, it doesn’t matter.

Troops may fold. Good turns don’t.

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